I think the biggest reason for this was that the jury was mostly Discorder writers, who are mostly undergrads at UBC, which makes it an age thing. I really started getting into music when I was in jr. high, but I didn’t really get into local music until I got a driver’s license and scored a fake ID. Obviously, not everyone’s the same, but I think that’s a pretty standard thing in Vancouver, or more specifically the suburbs (although the all ages thing has been getting better lately, despite the Mesa Luna and Seylynn shutting down). I’m turning 28 this month and Radio Berlin formed when I was in grade 12, so if you’re 20, unless you were a really fucking cool 13 year old, they’re probably not on your radar. Plus, a good chunk of UBC students are from out of town.
The other thing is the way voting worked. They asked me for a top 10, and while some of my spots went to bands I didn’t think that many other people would have voted for, a lot of them inevitably ended up being taken by Black Mountain, Destroyer, etc. If they had asked me for a top 50 (or even a top 25), I’d probably include all those bands you mentioned.
The less celebrated bands that made the list probably mostly made it due to one or two people ranking them really highly (which is what’s always happened when I’ve run similar polls), which makes it sort of a crapshoot.
Sorry, this turned essay-length… but I like thinking about these bands and talking about this kind of thing. Also, in retrospect, I should have cheated and put Black Mountain/Pink Mountaintops/Jerk with a Bomb as one vote.
It’s pretty inconsequential. But the amount of bands omitted from that list that had a huge impact on the community is just glaring. Kind of a revisionist history, no? For instance, missing were: Book of Lists? Doers? The Winks? S.T.R.E.E.T.S.? Blood Meridian? Dandi Wind? Black Rice? Beans? The Metic, Daddys Hands, Jerk With A Bomb, Radio Berlin, The WPP, & Bakelite? I’m really surprised that not one of these made the top 50. I’d go out on a limb and say that Radio Berlin were way more influential/better than say a good 8 bands on that list.
And if we’re including old punk bands that still played in the 2000s like SNFU and the Smugglers why not No Means No as well? Seriously.
But still, good job Discorder for putting that together.
I’m just irritated that Spirit of the West didn’t get on there. They’re still going, right?
Well, yeah actually.
That’s like saying kumquats are better than spools of thread. For deciding whether to amputate or not I’d go with reason. For those occasional magical moments in life when want doesn’t want to respond like a Vulcan, I’d go with faith.
I’m getting pretty tired of these naive athiests who insist on asserting faith/reason as an irreconcilable polarity within which you have to pick one or the other. It doesn’t work that way. I’m sorry, but the starting point of both rationalism and empiricism is a leap of faith. They deal with the problem of skepticism (how can we ever be sure we know what we know? we can’t, it’s an irresolvable problem) by just shrugging and moving on with things (well, we can’t know but our perceptive and conceptual faculties are all we have so lets just assume we can really know something about the world and stop worrying about it.) This is all well and good, I’ll jump on that train; but it’s incredibly naive to get too comfortable in the presumed accuracy of one’s assumptions no matter how reasonable they seem. I’m not trying to defend the whimsical “blind faith” side of the faith/reason dichotomy here, I’m trying to point out that things are messy and there really isn’t a clean break between the two. I’d be willing to bet my life that there is not one single person on the face of the planet who’s ever achieved a state of pure reason or pure faith- it would be basically impossible to live. Everyone uses both all the goddamn time, unconsciously.
Bump.
Faith and reason are interchangeable in how they work with and against each other.
Also: No athiests in a foxhole. Yay or nay?
KEN mode: Extending Common Courtesy Throughout The Evening
Fuck, these guys destroy everything. Riffs. Tone. Fuck.
WINNIPEG.
Picking up where Kittens and Meatrack left off.
Downtown
Jennifer Kostuik Gallery presents Expand: Christmas Group Show with Silent Art Auction
Opening Reception: Thursday, Dec 3, 2-4pm
Helen Pitt Gallery presents Tolerance Time
Opening Reception: Friday, Dec 4, 8pm
Location: Hosting by the Or Gallery, 555 Hamilton Street
Jennifer Kostuik Gallery presents an artist talk: Diano Bos
Artist Talk: Saturday, Dec 5, 2-4pm
Gastown/Main Street
Le Galerie du Centre presents Olivier Roy
Opening Reception: Wednesday, Dec 2, 7-9pm
Shudder Gallery presents Random Patterns
Opening Reception: Wednesday, Dec 2, 7-11pm
Ayden Gallery presents Once Upon a Time Charity Art Show
Wednesday, Dec 2, 7-11pm
Blim presents Algonguin: New Works by Helen Eady
Opening Reception: Friday, Dec 4, 8-11pm
Gallery Atsui presents 10x10
Opening Reception: Friday, Dec 4, 8pm
Basic Inquiry Studio and Gallery presents Small Pieces Show
Opening Reception: Saturday, Dec 5, 7-10pm
South Granville
Winsor Gallery presents Lawrence Hislop
Opening Reception: Wednesday, Dec 2, 5:30-8:30pm
Diane Farris presents Silver: 1984-2009
Opening Reception: Thursday, Dec 3, 6-8pm
Gallery Jones presents Peter Opheim and Markus Schaller
Opening Reception: Thursday, Dec 3, 6-9pm
Ian Tan Gallery presents David Wilson: Somewhere in the Middle
Opening Reception: Saturday, Dec 5, 2-4pm
Lattimer Gallery presents Andrew Dexel
Opening Reception: Saturday, Dec 5, 5-8pm
Vancouver East
Britannia Art Gallery presents Spirit & Ritual
Opening Reception: Wednesday, Dec 2, 6:30-8:30pm
The Contemporary Art Society of Vancouver presents a talk featuring: Instant Coffee
Artist Talk: Wednesday, Dec 2nd, 7pm
Location: 3092 Fraser street at 15th Avenue
Got Craft? Presents their Holiday Show
Sunday, Dec 6th, 11am – 5pm
Location: Royal Canadian Legion, 2205 Commercial Drive ( @ E. 6th Ave)
Admission: $2 dollars (kids under 10, free)
“I Wanna Be Adored” – The Stone Roses
(Words/music: Ian Brown and John Squire, available on The Stone Roses, Silvertone 1989)More on The Stone Roses: Allmusic | Amazon MP3 | Emusic | Last.fm
Re: last post
Oops, almost forgot.
The Breeders – Safari
Beat Happening – Noise
Eric’s Trip – Listen
Velocity Girl – Audrey’s Eyes
The Wannadies – You & Me Song
Liz Phair – Stratford On Guy
Archers Of Loaf – Web In Front
Bikini Kill – Carnival
Plumtree – The Phone, The Phone
Teenage Fanclub – Everything Flows
Juliana Hatfield – Feelin’ Massatchusetts
The Halo Benders – Halo Bender
Sebadoh – Skull
Jale – Promise
Sonic Youth – Teenage Riot
Bikini Kill – I Hate Danger
Sleater Kinney – I Wanna Be Your Joey Ramone
Lemonheads – In Your Arms
Veruca Salt – Seether
Whale – Hobo Humpin Slomo Babe
Cibo Matto – Birthday Cake
Pavement – Grounded
Eric’s Trip – Stove
2009 going on 2010, 90’s indie is officially retro? Huh. Neat.
What would I put on my 90’s mix…? Hmmm…
“Vapour Trail” by Ride and a fuckton of Gravity/Ebullition/Makoto spazzy proto-emo hardcore(Antioch Arrow, Mohinder, Indian Summer, Heroin, Downcast, Ottawa, Jihad, Current), and a lot of DC stuff (Hoover, Nation of Ulysses, Jawbox)….Tar…Jesus Lizard…Monsula…Jawbreaker…Seaweed…Engine Kid…June of 44, Tortoise… Malefaction, Black Kronstadt, Shotmaker, Sparkmarker as CanCon.
And Plastikman.
Actually, scratch all that. Just blaze and listen to Slint’s Spiderland from front to back instead.
FLICKN AWESOME! — Vancouver Is Awesome
*Sigh.*
That’s “-O-N” NOT “-E-N”.
I should be used to it by now. Been happening since birth.
Still, looking forward to it.
